Evgenia and I talk about “We Are As Gods,” the Stewart Brand hagiomentary that just came out. We were at the film’s theatrical premier in San Francisco — with Brand himself in attendance.
Stewart Brand turns up as a minor but important character in my book Surveillance Valley. His personal contribution to the development of the internet was in the “branding” department: He helped move the anti-establishment cultural capital of the hippie movement into the corporate-military world of early internet and computer development — effectively imbuing a counterinsurgency technology with the spirit of the counterculture. It’s a rebranding that we still live with today.
But that’s not something you’ll get in the film. Instead, you get the heroic selfless visionary Brand — a man who practically invented the counterculture and the environmental movement and who is now using his last years on earth trying to stop global warming by…doing Jurassic Park gene splicing with woolly mammoths out in Siberia, while actually-living-life dies out all around him. It’s absurd. But that's the legacy that his generation leaves us with as it dies off — a legacy of accelerating ecological collapse and unwavering technophilia.
The film fits in well with the previous episode we recorded about our society’s terminal techno-utopianism.
—Yasha Levine
PS: A couple of notes. In the first hour we talk about the myth of Stewart Brand. In the second hour we move on to talk about the documentary in greater detail.
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"We Are As Gods"
it is pretty funny to imagine all these guys taking acid so that they can meet God in order to figure out new ways to make sure everyone agrees that there's only 2 genders or whatever. "I slipped the surely bonds of earth to touch the face of God and he said my grandpa wasn't actually an asshole for being racist"
Yasha, do you know the documentary "The Net" (2003) by artist and filmmaker Lutz Dammbeck? It touches upon many issues you're interested in. It's a very different take on the Unabomber story (he and Dammbeck actually exchanged letters). The film tries to take his critique of the industrial society somewhat seriously by tracing the origins of the internet to ARPA and so on. Dammbeck also interviews people like Stewart Brand and John Brockman who he tries to confront with Kaczynski's ideas. I think, it's a great supplement to your book. It's on Youtube (if you haven't seen it yet):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn9BvNAUvcU&ab_channel=FadiAkil