Hey when's the doc coming out? Is it the same project as the pistachio thing?
Coincidentally, San Francisco and Oakland were our last stop in California in late December 2019/early January 2020. Guess what was about to happen. So I shit you not, I'm about 98% positive my wife and I both caught COVID on one of the many planes, tranes, buses, and automobiles we rode all up and down Cali on that trip that started in LA, took us up through Santa Barbara and SLO on Amtrak where we rented a car and drove first to Santa Maria and then up north through Big Sur to Monterey (over that bridge that collapsed just months later) to San Francisco, Sausalito, Muir Woods, the inner bay area at my aunt's house in Martinez for a few days and finally Oakland. Worst fucking "cold" either of us ever had and I'd never had a dry cough or fever with a cold that felt more like I fought Mike Tyson the day before every day for two weeks. I'd bet the mortgage it was COVID-19 but there weren't any antibody tests for another 3-4 months so we'll never know. Oh well, sorry for the unsolicited info, but your post triggered that memory!
P.S. it was discovered much later on that one woman (at least) was positive for COVID-19 as early as late November or early December of 2019 but the story was buried or forgotten. She hadn't traveled internationally and she didn't associate directly or indirectly with anyone else who did either. They did extensive contact tracing on her but she was somewhat of a recluse who I believe was either retired and working as a consultant from home or had retired completely from a career as a programmer.
These early COVID-19 deaths in the San Francisco Bay Area suggest that the novel coronavirus had established itself in the community long before health officials started looking for it. The lag time has had dire consequences, allowing the virus to spread unchecked before social distancing rules went into effect.
“The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time,” Dr. Jeff Smith, a physician who is the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, told county leaders in a recent briefing.
How long? A study out of Stanford suggests a dramatic viral surge in February.
But Smith on Friday said data collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, local health departments and others suggest it was “a lot longer than we first believed” — most likely since “back in December.”
Is there any medical update on implications on spreading and origin?
How possibly China reports still less than 5,000 Covid deaths? I mean any professional explanation - other than the usual dismissal and hatred of "godless lying China"?
More than welcome. I haven't really been reading much on COVID lately, which was why I mis-remembered the facts of that "first" case in Cali. I think China's death toll is in fact much lower than ours and other Western countries because they were (and are) able to quickly implement measures designed to prevent the spread. 5,000 does look like an impossibly low number though.
Interestingly (and topical to Yasha's piece on shit) enough, and I could be mis-remembering again here, there was COVID or COVID antibodies allegedly found in sewage samples in Barcelona and I think Rome, supposedly dating to March of 2019. Guess where the wife and I were in March of 2019....lol. Maybe I'm Patient Zero! j/k
Thanks, Yasha, this immediately brought to mind another SF problem that is never talked about: smog exports. I suspect that air quality in the Bay Area even if not great is far better than air quality in the central valley. If so, it's at least partly because of prevailing winds. They transport Bay Area pollution to the valley, where it remains trapped because the Sierras stop it from moving further east.
Sewage sludge was a mystery to me until your article. If LA alone generates 500 tons/day -- do you have any knowledge just how thick are these "farm fertilizers"? At some places there must be tens of meters or mountains?
Many thanks once again -- your span of coverage is astounding...
Hey when's the doc coming out? Is it the same project as the pistachio thing?
Coincidentally, San Francisco and Oakland were our last stop in California in late December 2019/early January 2020. Guess what was about to happen. So I shit you not, I'm about 98% positive my wife and I both caught COVID on one of the many planes, tranes, buses, and automobiles we rode all up and down Cali on that trip that started in LA, took us up through Santa Barbara and SLO on Amtrak where we rented a car and drove first to Santa Maria and then up north through Big Sur to Monterey (over that bridge that collapsed just months later) to San Francisco, Sausalito, Muir Woods, the inner bay area at my aunt's house in Martinez for a few days and finally Oakland. Worst fucking "cold" either of us ever had and I'd never had a dry cough or fever with a cold that felt more like I fought Mike Tyson the day before every day for two weeks. I'd bet the mortgage it was COVID-19 but there weren't any antibody tests for another 3-4 months so we'll never know. Oh well, sorry for the unsolicited info, but your post triggered that memory!
P.S. it was discovered much later on that one woman (at least) was positive for COVID-19 as early as late November or early December of 2019 but the story was buried or forgotten. She hadn't traveled internationally and she didn't associate directly or indirectly with anyone else who did either. They did extensive contact tracing on her but she was somewhat of a recluse who I believe was either retired and working as a consultant from home or had retired completely from a career as a programmer.
Had to look it up. Sorry it was February when she died.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-11/bay-area-coronavirus-deaths-signs-of-earlier-spread-california
These early COVID-19 deaths in the San Francisco Bay Area suggest that the novel coronavirus had established itself in the community long before health officials started looking for it. The lag time has had dire consequences, allowing the virus to spread unchecked before social distancing rules went into effect.
“The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time,” Dr. Jeff Smith, a physician who is the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, told county leaders in a recent briefing.
How long? A study out of Stanford suggests a dramatic viral surge in February.
But Smith on Friday said data collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, local health departments and others suggest it was “a lot longer than we first believed” — most likely since “back in December.”
Many thanks for the link -- astonishing !!
Is there any medical update on implications on spreading and origin?
How possibly China reports still less than 5,000 Covid deaths? I mean any professional explanation - other than the usual dismissal and hatred of "godless lying China"?
More than welcome. I haven't really been reading much on COVID lately, which was why I mis-remembered the facts of that "first" case in Cali. I think China's death toll is in fact much lower than ours and other Western countries because they were (and are) able to quickly implement measures designed to prevent the spread. 5,000 does look like an impossibly low number though.
Interestingly (and topical to Yasha's piece on shit) enough, and I could be mis-remembering again here, there was COVID or COVID antibodies allegedly found in sewage samples in Barcelona and I think Rome, supposedly dating to March of 2019. Guess where the wife and I were in March of 2019....lol. Maybe I'm Patient Zero! j/k
Thanks, Yasha, this immediately brought to mind another SF problem that is never talked about: smog exports. I suspect that air quality in the Bay Area even if not great is far better than air quality in the central valley. If so, it's at least partly because of prevailing winds. They transport Bay Area pollution to the valley, where it remains trapped because the Sierras stop it from moving further east.
yeah the central valley is really a dumping ground for all sorts of things. value extracted, waste dumped there.
Sf meet up when?
Wow - thank you Sasha !!
Sewage sludge was a mystery to me until your article. If LA alone generates 500 tons/day -- do you have any knowledge just how thick are these "farm fertilizers"? At some places there must be tens of meters or mountains?
Many thanks once again -- your span of coverage is astounding...