To address your question about the conservative point of view, I think most conservatives are skeptical of climate alarmism. People have been predicting environmental catastrophe from global warming since the early 90s and they have always been wrong. After living through decades of this stuff it becomes very easy to tune out.
I think vagueness (with the help of humans' natural optimism) is the only way to keep these ideas going. If you look at any single aspect of social collapse in detail it should become apparent that nothing like what we have now will remain post collapse, and likely nothing like what humans have ever experienced, unfortunately for people hoping for a primitivist looking future like myself. At the very very least, nothing like a smooth transition to post fossil fuel society is possible. The alternatives at this point seem to me to be either a haphazard collapse, or a more or less successful attempt to transorm the entire planet into biosphere earth, since our efforts have destabilized all natural systems our species used to rely upon and be integrated among, to the point that nothing functions anymore naturally.. Both sound pretty horrible.
Thanks for the episode! This is apretty important topic id say, considering.
I enjoy the spontaneity of your conversation. I'm like the salt shaker at your table absorbing the vibes. Re Degrowth: I can't imagine a worse branding of a movement that otherwise is relevant. There is no good translation of décroissance, though "simplification" a la Nate Hagens -> https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/ is better. Nothing that suggest frugality would suit me. I advocate radical hedonism, which isn't simple.
I've only seen the trailer, but won't it be easier to simply us a gun? A big gun, not like the Tsar Cannon, but more like the Carl-Gustaf recoilless weapon? Of course, not much drama using something like that... it doesn't take a squad of misfits, just one.
I hear what you’re saying but I think the time for clever slogans is over. People are not gonna be swayed into being excited about a new way of life — and a new way of thinking about the world — because of a clever jingle or something like that. Seems a lot more fundamental than that.
Of course, Hagens (and I) expect climate catastrophe to force that "fundamental" shift and we can already see the evidence of that happening (ie "goodbye American Dream"). The point is how to contend with the coming trauma that is upon us - Eros or Thanatos? I fear a devolution to authoritarianism (ie the full spectrum attack on dissent a la Russiangate) unless we recognize the validity of our neurobiological constitution and cultivate and sustain those social forces today that supply evidence of its manifestation. https://www.ztangi.org/play/
To address your question about the conservative point of view, I think most conservatives are skeptical of climate alarmism. People have been predicting environmental catastrophe from global warming since the early 90s and they have always been wrong. After living through decades of this stuff it becomes very easy to tune out.
I think vagueness (with the help of humans' natural optimism) is the only way to keep these ideas going. If you look at any single aspect of social collapse in detail it should become apparent that nothing like what we have now will remain post collapse, and likely nothing like what humans have ever experienced, unfortunately for people hoping for a primitivist looking future like myself. At the very very least, nothing like a smooth transition to post fossil fuel society is possible. The alternatives at this point seem to me to be either a haphazard collapse, or a more or less successful attempt to transorm the entire planet into biosphere earth, since our efforts have destabilized all natural systems our species used to rely upon and be integrated among, to the point that nothing functions anymore naturally.. Both sound pretty horrible.
Thanks for the episode! This is apretty important topic id say, considering.
I enjoy the spontaneity of your conversation. I'm like the salt shaker at your table absorbing the vibes. Re Degrowth: I can't imagine a worse branding of a movement that otherwise is relevant. There is no good translation of décroissance, though "simplification" a la Nate Hagens -> https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/ is better. Nothing that suggest frugality would suit me. I advocate radical hedonism, which isn't simple.
For what it is worth here's an essay on Degrowth (or debunk?)-> https://www.ztangi.org/degrowth-or-debunk-do-degrowth-proponents-have-a-strategy/
I've only seen the trailer, but won't it be easier to simply us a gun? A big gun, not like the Tsar Cannon, but more like the Carl-Gustaf recoilless weapon? Of course, not much drama using something like that... it doesn't take a squad of misfits, just one.
I hear what you’re saying but I think the time for clever slogans is over. People are not gonna be swayed into being excited about a new way of life — and a new way of thinking about the world — because of a clever jingle or something like that. Seems a lot more fundamental than that.
Of course, Hagens (and I) expect climate catastrophe to force that "fundamental" shift and we can already see the evidence of that happening (ie "goodbye American Dream"). The point is how to contend with the coming trauma that is upon us - Eros or Thanatos? I fear a devolution to authoritarianism (ie the full spectrum attack on dissent a la Russiangate) unless we recognize the validity of our neurobiological constitution and cultivate and sustain those social forces today that supply evidence of its manifestation. https://www.ztangi.org/play/
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